I need help

[xp_echo]

I need weapons that are non-lethal. Something I can knock people out with even if they have a healing factor that isn't going to kill them.

Discuss.

Comments

[xp_cypher]

Well, I am a fan of telescoping batons, because they're compact and portable.

[xp_echo]

That's not bad, but the healing factor and other brutes need more than just a beating. Nice as those could be as a backup for the less nasty. It'd be easy if I wanted to kill someone but non-lethal needs to be a big thing. I don't want to kill anyone by accident ever again, and this last shit show means I'm not as effective as I could be.

[xp_artie]

I'm with Doug. Extendable batons and go for hands, fingers, knees and elbows. They're fragile.

Avoid throats and heads - too easy to kill someone by accident and I'm sure you'd prefer to avoid lasting brain damage.

Can't go wrong with stabbing the healing types, especially if you go for major organs or leave the blades in.

Most people won't die if you shoot them in the leg.

Honestly, though, go into fights with the understanding that, no matter what you want, there's a good chance you will have to kill the other guy to survive.

[xp_cypher]

You can use them for joint locks and holds just as easily as striking.

[xp_wildchild]

No they really don't. Yeah I might get up faster from a broken fucking knee than you but it still gives you time to get away and regroup. I'm putting you on extra sparring and DR duty if you think so. We'll work on joints and Ear/nose/throat attacks.

shit I have really slacked the fuck off on your h2h training, fuck. I'm putting you through the same program Gar put me through, it'll suck but if you can't hold your own by the end of it I don't deserve my damn career.

[xp_echo]

I'm here for that. I've been working a bit with Matt as well. Can we work him in? He's got some stuff with the blindness that's been helpful to copy

[xp_wildchild]

not for this not yet, we gotta get you back on basics first.

also MM and I gotta different sparring schedule

[xp_artie]

Okay, Kyle is good - like, hella good at what he does - but he has like two feet of height and 250 pounds on you and fights like he'll be able to heal from what happens.

You also need to be working with someone who is small, because we can't fight the way he does and no matter how well he trains you, some of that bias is going to come through. (No offence.)

Talk to me, to Doug, to Natasha, to Felica or someone. People with powers that don't lead to fighting and no physical advantages.

[xp_wildchild]

I love that in your head Maya is 4'4" and 17 pounds.

(artie's right, you need to spar people with different sizes, ima just ALSO put you through the shit Gar put me through)

[xp_artie]

I mean, more, you're about seven foot nine or something, not that she's (literally) pocket sized any more.

But also, you fight like a man who fundamentally believes that fingers regrow.

[xp_wildchild]

I mean kinda. Gar put me through a bunch of shit where if I got hurt he'd make me do shitty boring cardio I hated so Kiiiiiiinda but also yeah, you're not wrong there's only so much negative reinforcement you can do.

but Maya still needs to learn how to fight guys like me.

(I mean I assume you can fight a guy like me but you're like. I just assume you'd shoot me in the face)

[xp_artie]

I'd shoot you in the face from a long, long way away, yes. and then probably in the knees or something.

Good point, though. He did make you do all of that, I just know what powers based biases are like. You can;t outtrain them.

[xp_echo]

Artie, I’m 5’9” and 125lbs. I know that adults see us the same as when we actually arrive in their sight the first time but I’m not short or small.

[xp_wildchild]

Wait you're not 16 and five two and signing "fuck you white boy" at me every time we're in the same space?

THE PASSAGE OF TIME IS A WONDEROUS AND TERRIBLE THING.

[xp_artie]

you are standing next to kyle

[xp_echo]

Yeah, but he’s the reason people still believe in Big Foot

[xp_darcy]

I am a fan of my small electric friend (it's basically a taser), BUT it hurts like hell and can cause damage if you hit yourself with it! I have first-hand experience with this, 0/10 would not suggest (10/10 would do again because the other option was strangulation). HOWEVER you can actually kill someone with the charge, so usefulness in your situation may vary.

Realistically any weapon can be used in a lethal manner, it's just easier for some than others. Doug's telescoping batons weren't too bad. Staff is an option, you can knock people on asses and hit them in the head. Heck, you could try a sap. Can break bones with those damn things, if you have enough room.

[xp_daredevil]

echoing what everyone else has said.

and my billy clubs can be thrown, too.

[xp_blackwidow]

Everyone's suggestions are good but also seem to be missing the obvious. I have some shock batons that would work for the situations you're asking about. I also have a smaller option that's just the shock portion that can be easily thrown.

[xp_echo]

I did not know that was an option, and Artie even mentioned above that I should spar with you. Up for some teaching? With Kyle’s supervision so he can see what I’m doing and not go all ‘oh my God, stop using your powers and punch like you, not me.’

[xp_wildchild]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees you get to spar everyone

fuck oh FUCK
I wonder if your powers can copy Ramsey's weird arm
I mean not like the nantites or that he looks like he ate a glowstick lately I mean like

can you copy robot punching

[xp_echo]

I don’t know? I mean, not the strength behind it but the movement sure, probably.

[xp_cypher]

Like I ate a...?

Aw, friendos, why.

[xp_darcy]

It's nice, reminds me of looking at the sky at night. Lil dudes are doing a good job.

[xp_cypher]

Between this and the see-through, I apparently have an arm that is 110% about the Aesthetic.

[xp_darcy]

I mean, they're attached to you. What did you expect?

[xp_blackwidow]

Sure. I'm always up for testing my abilities against other people's.